Jerry Rosengarten [00:00:00]:

And then for a year, I sat at a typewriter and wrote this book. I started out writing it for my kids and my grandkids. As I was writing it and reading it, I was saying things for the first time.

Bryan McAnulty [00:00:16]:

Welcome to the creator's adventure, where we interview creators from around the world hearing their stories about growing a business. Today's guest invented the leisure suit in the seventies and we're gonna discuss what it takes to make something iconic. Hey, everyone. I'm Brian McAnulty, the founder of Head's Platform. Let's get into it. Many have asked me what software I use to record such high quality video for this podcast. I use Riverside and what's great about Riverside is it records the local camera feed from you and your guests around the world, which means crisp 4 k video without having to worry about blurriness due to internet hiccups. Riverside is also a great editor, fitting with my philosophy of making it easy for yourself to create because there is nothing that your guests or you have to download.

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Bryan McAnulty [00:01:25]:

the show. Hey, everyone. We're here today with Jerry Rose Garden. He is a Brooklyn born entrepreneur known for his knack of spotting opportunities in chaos. His business ventures range from developing dyslexia aid products to innovative real estate and early investments in solar energy. And Jerry first gained fame in the 19 seventies with the leisure suit leading to major New York City projects like The Lofts and the Bowery Hotel. Today, he owns a large solar firm in the northeast and is dedicated toward environmental stewardship and supporting those with learning disabilities. Jerry, welcome to the show.

Bryan McAnulty [00:02:07]:

My pleasure,

Jerry Rosengarten [00:02:08]:

Brian.

Bryan McAnulty [00:02:11]:

1st question for you is what would you say is the biggest thing either that you did or you are doing that helped you to achieve the freedom to do what you enjoy?

Jerry Rosengarten [00:02:22]:

I think I built a medical building out of a loft building. I converted a medical building, a loft into a medical building. And that gave me what I call a drizzler. Drizzler, no one today knows what that means, but it was once a short jacket that a company called London Farm made. And they made it every day for years, and it covered the overhead of the company. And that's what you need if you're gonna be in business. You need some sort of drizzle. The medical billing was a drizzle.

Bryan McAnulty [00:03:07]:

Yeah. I think that's great advice. That that same concept has helped me in my business that having Heights platform now, the software platform, I wouldn't have been able to to build it the same way if I hadn't first built another business that was helping to fund that for me and allowing me to to focus on creating this, without having to worry about chasing investors and things like that.

Jerry Rosengarten [00:03:31]:

It's it's kinda like essential, actually. I'm not saying people can't do it without that, but it kinda, like, gives you the presence of concentrating on that, what you wanna do, as opposed to always worrying about, you know, how you gotta pay the rent.

Bryan McAnulty [00:03:51]:

Yeah. Yeah. It's really hard to to have the same level of of creativity and and do the same things when you have to directly worry about tomorrow versus being being able to think like a a bigger picture longer term.

Jerry Rosengarten [00:04:06]:

Back in the seventies, that wasn't at least for me, it wasn't that that that true. Because I said, I didn't get to the medical building until after a few projects that were very risky, and had no and I had no money. So it was, a leisure suit. I didn't have any money to build that. So loft development, same thing. It it seemed to, evolve, and one business took on next and the next and the next from an economic standpoint. So that's what happened. Yeah.

Bryan McAnulty [00:04:45]:

I I wanna get into all those things in more detail. But first, for those listening or watching, you've been battling with dyslexia your whole life, but that that hasn't stopped you from getting, going after what you wanted and making those dreams a reality, even though you were functionally unable to read until your fifties. So would you go as far as to say that the dealing with that condition actually helped push you further, or or how did that, interplay with all of your ventures in business?

Jerry Rosengarten [00:05:22]:

I guess when I was young and the I was considered dominant and all that stuff by peers, it was just, you know, that that was a push to get better than them even though Right. You know, I didn't necessarily get better than them, but I did push to it. I think it also helped me see see things that wasn't there. Part of the way I've created stuff over the years is basically seeing things that aren't there and then and seeing a need for those things. So then creating that. And you can't you really can't create. And I look, by the way, at myself as a designer more so, than a businessman. It's important that people see what's needed, and that's how progress gets done.

Jerry Rosengarten [00:06:24]:

And one of the ways that happens is to design something into the future that just wasn't done before.

Bryan McAnulty [00:06:34]:

Yeah. I think that's interesting because I found with some of the things I've done creatively, I believe that it was either easier for me to get to that point or I did get to that point because I was willing to look at it from this, like, blank slate of not knowing the way that you're supposed to do it or the way that everybody talks about it and being able to look at it from this view of, well, I'm gonna imagine this from nothing. What What is the way I'm gonna do it? Ignoring what everybody says you should do. And I think being able to approach things with that that state of mind really helps you to to come up better with these creative ideas. Is that is that what you're saying as well?

Jerry Rosengarten [00:07:20]:

I am saying that. I'll give you an example, very good very simple example, actually, because people will relate to it. I bought Apple stock. I bought every Apple product that I've made so far, except this the goggles. And I bought Apple stock, and I was told by all the people, I mean, all the people, to sell because it was going out of business. It wasn't gonna survive. And I couldn't listen to any of them. And I held and held and held.

Jerry Rosengarten [00:07:58]:

So that's an example of not listening to

Bryan McAnulty [00:08:01]:

And that that was that was when, approximately, that you you first bought it?

Jerry Rosengarten [00:08:06]:

When it first when it first came on the market. At the beginning. I got I I I I because maybe this is bring going back to the dyslexia part. I bought the Macintosh, the box, the original box that's more of a little, and it was the first time I could actually write a sentence that made sense. It didn't say it made sense the first time. I kept on changing. But, eventually, it made sense, and it was it was invigorating. And and all the things I did there was so intuitive.

Jerry Rosengarten [00:08:47]:

So the learning process that I didn't get when I was in school because of the dyslexia, I was able to do these things here. And then when and and then I'm listening to, you know, brokers and lawyers and all that telling me to sell. They never went through what I went through. They never see the magic of the of of that box. So

Bryan McAnulty [00:09:14]:

Yeah. That's interesting. Could you share with us was there a moment for you that you decided that you were first gonna become an entrepreneur, or did you know that you were going to be an entrepreneur when you were younger?

Jerry Rosengarten [00:09:29]:

No. I didn't know I was gonna be an entrepreneur. All I know is I came from meager beginnings. So 2 bedroom, a pot, 1 bath, about 5 of us in it. It I knew I had to make money. I mean, I I I didn't I didn't finish school, so I wasn't gonna have a profession. So what was left for me? And I went out and said I was gonna make money. I had been working since I was 13 at different jobs, And most of those jobs were in the men's fashion business.

Jerry Rosengarten [00:10:14]:

So that's kinda like the lead lead up to the leisure suit. I work in

Bryan McAnulty [00:10:20]:

retail space. So you're the creator of the leisure suit. And for those listening who are not familiar with it, can you tell us first what is the leisure suit? And then, what was behind, like, this design choice when you first came up with it in the seventies?

Jerry Rosengarten [00:10:38]:

Well, as I said, I was working in actually, I was working in 2 separate men's stores. 1 was in Flushing, Queens, and it kinda, like, catered to, beauticians, mobsters, whatever. But it was a small store, and it carried very avant garde stuff. And the other store was on the Miracle Mile in Manhasset. And that was a very staid type of store. It was, you know, lawyers and and professionals came in, and they bought their suits and ties and all that stuff. And that's what I saw. I saw the dichotomy between these two cultures.

Jerry Rosengarten [00:11:30]:

And I didn't consciously think of a leisure suit. It evolved through, working for a, a half size dress house and a and a fabric producer, and then the leisure suit. And the leisure suit, when it was created, was actually a very good looking product. And it was the one on, The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson, and a lot of other celebrities wore it. And then like happens in business, in all businesses, I got knocked off, knocked off, knocked off, and knocked off. And when they knock you off, they cheapen the product. Plus, they don't have the vision, so they cheapen the look. And before I was finished, it was a joke.

Jerry Rosengarten [00:12:27]:

The leisure. Still is to this day when you mentioned people talk about it as as as something, funny.

Bryan McAnulty [00:12:38]:

Yeah. Yeah. That's interesting. Yeah. The, the competitor I think it's, something to be said there that a lot of early entrepreneurs, especially I know worry about competition, but they they worry it about it from the sense of thinking that the competitor is just going to beat them if they make the same thing, but the competitor doesn't have your vision. So they're always gonna be, at at best, a step behind you and and maybe not ever able to create that exact same thing that you've created because they don't know why you did things a certain way.

Jerry Rosengarten [00:13:10]:

Right. Oh, again, the leisure suit was based on design. But the concept of leisure suit was that men didn't have to be tied up in those 3 piece suits. They could have something that was soft and didn't have, you know, shoulder pads and things of that nature. They could feel very comfortable. And it kinda created, what was it? What was the term for the Fridays with relaxed Fridays or something, where people dressed casually. A casual Friday? Yeah. Casual Fridays.

Jerry Rosengarten [00:13:47]:

So that was kinda like the concept of it. And, I had 6 years of that.

Bryan McAnulty [00:13:58]:

Yeah. What what I'm really curious, like, I guess you hinted at it a little bit of that you you saw the dichotomy there of the the more, like, traditional here's where I get my professional kinda uniform, and here's the more, like, avant garde style. But for somebody who is kinda beginning their journey, they haven't figured out how to create this this hit, like, popular product yet. What would you suggest to them as far as how they can kind of be at the the right time to figure out what is something they can do that would be really special to to the current time right now that they can create.

Jerry Rosengarten [00:14:42]:

I'm a say one thing, and it's not gonna be popular, but it's luck. Everything that happens in life happens at a time. And if you're there at that time and pick it up, then that's luck because these things don't pass together. As far as creating it, I think you first have to go with your passion. You have to look deep down. What is it that you really are passionate about? Because it's not really worth a fight unless you are. I mean, you know, a lot of people get into jobs, and they just, day after day, do the same thing. And that becomes their drizzler, because that that's that's their earning power, and they got locked into that.

Jerry Rosengarten [00:15:36]:

First, you have to work 24 hours a day. You can't work a 9 to 5 if you're an entrepreneur. Now you can sleep and all this other stuff, you can eat and but you still gotta think about what's happening Yeah.

Bryan McAnulty [00:15:53]:

Yeah. Your your brain is always on about it.

Jerry Rosengarten [00:15:56]:

You know, it it there's there's no there's no rest. And it's I you know, and it the truth of the matter is that it is invigorating by itself. So you don't feel it. But, you know, that's at least, that was the way it was for me.

Bryan McAnulty [00:16:17]:

Yeah. I I think that's true. I think that, I've said before that money can't be the reason that you're doing something because eventually that's not going to be enough of a reason for you to continue with it. There's gotta be this this passion and and strong desire to work on it. And and like you said, it's gonna always kinda be occupying your mind, and it it it should be a good thing that you're enjoying that because that's what will allow you to continue to pursue it, continue to improve on it, and and also help lead to your fulfillment in in what you're improving in your life.

Jerry Rosengarten [00:16:57]:

I agree. I agree.

Bryan McAnulty [00:17:02]:

So, yeah, you mentioned you mentioned that you you're you're saying luck, about the, some of what you created there. But I would say that you you created some of your own luck because you were taking action on these ideas that you had. And some people are not creating that luck for themselves because they they maybe have some some glimpses of certain ideas, but they don't fall off the door with them. And I would say it's important to to try those things and and create your own luck by by doing those things at the right time.

Jerry Rosengarten [00:17:36]:

The book that I wrote was jump on it jump on the train. Okay? My publisher didn't like the title. I said, but that's what it was like. That's what it was. When you see something, you have to jump on the train, and you gotta take it to the end. The end is completion and the end is success. Okay? Now you're gonna have a lot of bumps on that train where you're gonna wanna get off the train. But, basically, you gotta see it to the end.

Jerry Rosengarten [00:18:12]:

And I'm happy with the title.

Bryan McAnulty [00:18:20]:

Yeah. I like the title. I think that's great. I think when when you created this design for the leisure suit, did you have this intuition that you knew, like, this could be really the thing? What what what kept you on the train for that?

Jerry Rosengarten [00:18:39]:

What kept me on the train for that? I didn't know. First of all, with the answer to the question that you just asked. It became a 9 to 5 type thing, meaning I was working regularly. I was working 12 to 12, but it was like I was working regularly. Couldn't stop because of the when you get involved in what it turned out to be, it was all encompassing. Took over everything. But repeat your question on the second part of it.

Bryan McAnulty [00:19:25]:

Like, how how you need to stay on the train once you got on it there? And I I guess you kind of answered it by by it being all encompassing. I think that's kind of a way that you know that, I guess I I know from past things I've done, I feel like it was maybe either a failure or it didn't work out the way I wanted. In hindsight, it's it's kinda obvious because it never got to a point where it was so all encompassing that there was just things happening that that had to be dealt with all the time. And the areas where I was more successful, it it did feel like that where it like, you're you're put into it, and then it just keeps growing. You can't not give it the attention almost.

Jerry Rosengarten [00:20:12]:

I would have to say, this is me now. I always take it to the end. Even when it stops becoming profitable, you don't know if it's gonna be you never know until the end if it's profitable. Obviously, you plan for it, but those plans change sometimes daily. A solar farm was a 4 year fight. Literally, a 4 year fight. Like a David and Goliath fight. Because I had the community against me.

Jerry Rosengarten [00:20:50]:

I had the government against me. I had the, building area departments against me. Everybody was against me. And it it it made no sense. It made no sense whatsoever because this was the best use of the property. And nobody ever no to this day, no one ever sees it. No one sees this solar farm. It's totally surrounded by forest.

Jerry Rosengarten [00:21:21]:

And the amount of shenanigans that went on to try and stop me were were amazing. And I and I have a problem because I can't give up. So I, you know, I I stayed with it for as long as I stayed with it. It's true of other projects too. My part I think it's

Bryan McAnulty [00:21:46]:

a maybe a problem, but it's also a good trait to have.

Jerry Rosengarten [00:21:54]:

Yeah. I guess it is. I I mean, I I I I guess being so stubborn is not so bad.

Bryan McAnulty [00:22:09]:

So personally in It's

Jerry Rosengarten [00:22:11]:

only business. I don't do it personally.

Bryan McAnulty [00:22:18]:

That's good. So you're renowned for your real estate success as well. I I guess maybe the Bowery Hotel being one of the things you're you're most well known for in that. Could you walk us through, like, the the hotel development, and were there any critical maybe decisions that stand out that you had to make that went against, kinda conventional logic in the industry?

Jerry Rosengarten [00:22:46]:

Well, first of all, this was Bowery. Okay? In the Bowery Hotel, it was not a chic area. It was actually the worst area in the city. So that's a that's against convention right there. Even consider doing something. I didn't originally plan to do a hotel. The project was, going to be a residential dormitory and, parking and retail. So it'd have all those uses.

Jerry Rosengarten [00:23:22]:

Residential would be on top. The, dormitory would be in the middle. That'd be retail and then parking. And I was building that. Literally built 17 stories with that end use. Now I built the structure, but I hadn't done the inside. So, do you know the restaurant Balthazar? There's a restaurant called Balthazar. It's an old restaurant.

Jerry Rosengarten [00:24:02]:

It's very, French. And it's, and I was sitting there with my wife, and there was a lot of thing. You walk in, you're face to face. Next person's face to face. So there's 2 guys next to me talking. And my wife got very upset because I was listening to them. I wasn't listening to her. And they were talking about the Bowery.

Jerry Rosengarten [00:24:30]:

And they they were talking about a project they wanted to do in the Bowery. So where I did an economic project with 3 uses that I mentioned, they were talking about a condominium project. So it hadn't started yet, but they were talking. And it dawned on me that I had the best location on the Bowery because you saw the building just as you came to the Bowery, and it just dwarfs everything else. And I said to myself, I'm gonna make it a hotel, and that's how that started. I went and found some really good hotel people. I mean, like, the best in the industry. And they made all the right moves, and I benefited from it.

Bryan McAnulty [00:25:37]:

Yeah. That's great. So but I'm curious with that as well. Was there anything like, was this a was it a very clear vision from that moment of what you would turn it into, or was that kinda evolving?

Jerry Rosengarten [00:25:54]:

No. I, soon as I found the right people, there was no stopping. And it turned in to be what what, you know, what it is. I I trust me. I never expected that. I never expected leisure swim. I never expected these things. Just what we're saying before? No.

Jerry Rosengarten [00:26:20]:

Well well, what would

Bryan McAnulty [00:26:24]:

if somebody wants to to try to replicate that then, if if they want to to reach this level of success with different things like you have, What advice would you give to them in order to do that? In this case, was it was it the right people in place or or something else?

Jerry Rosengarten [00:26:44]:

Only a few times have I had the right people in place. Much of it was just doing it, okay, myself. I shouldn't say that. I say most of the time I had a good staff that's different than the right people. A good staff is essential, but then you also have to have partners who are good because they're vested. As long as someone is vested into the project, they're gonna they're gonna take it like you're gonna take it. So that's that's one aspect. And you gotta sell the idea.

Jerry Rosengarten [00:27:30]:

If you have an idea I I went to a few different hotel people who thought I was crazy. Right? And and and you gotta sell it. You gotta sell basically that the concept that you're talking about, makes sense.

Bryan McAnulty [00:27:54]:

Yeah. Yeah. I think everybody has to figure that out for their own business, whatever it is, because you don't only have to eventually sell it to a customer that's gonna buy it, but everybody else along the way, like the your team, your any partners, any anybody else involved. They all have to buy into that in order to help it move forward.

Jerry Rosengarten [00:28:19]:

By the way, partners can be a drizzler. A project can carry you while it's being done because of your partners.

Bryan McAnulty [00:28:31]:

How how's that?

Jerry Rosengarten [00:28:33]:

The investment into the project should include you or can include you. Most investors won't like that with them, then they're not not not not your investor.

Bryan McAnulty [00:28:51]:

Yeah. Yeah. That's a a good point. I think, personally, myself, I haven't raised any investments for my product. I'm kinda aiming to try to do it myself and stick to be able to do it exactly the way that I wanna do it if I can, not have outside pressure. But, yeah, if I did raise money, I would I would want it to be that way that they're investing in in me as well that I allows me to not have to worry about things.

Jerry Rosengarten [00:29:23]:

You do it yourself like you're talking about. Bring it to a point. You can always bring in investors. You can always when you have something to invest in, you gotta have the vision, and you gotta relate that vision to those people.

Bryan McAnulty [00:29:41]:

Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. So you've got a clearly a ton of experience in in business and negotiation and communication despite living with dyslexia. What would be your advice for newer entrepreneurs on how to handle difficult decisions and negotiations?

Jerry Rosengarten [00:30:08]:

Never show weakness. In a negotiation. Never show weakness. Never show that you need it even though you do need it. Okay? First, if so, you got you gotta sell. You have to continue to sell. I mean, even in a negotiation, you have to sell what you're what you're negotiating about. But you never show that you really need it, because then you lose the negotiation.

Bryan McAnulty [00:30:52]:

Yeah. I think that's great advice. Because once they see that weakness, then they can just stick on that against you.

Jerry Rosengarten [00:31:00]:

No. They they negotiate hard on that side. They have the negotiation. You have to take what they're gonna offer. And, you know, you don't have to take it, but they're not gonna go beyond that.

Bryan McAnulty [00:31:15]:

Yeah. Exactly.

Jerry Rosengarten [00:31:16]:

Give and take.

Bryan McAnulty [00:31:20]:

So your new book, Jump on the Train. Yeah. Yeah. What was that?

Jerry Rosengarten [00:31:26]:

No negotiation is the same. Every negotiation there's no book on how to negotiate. There may be books, but I haven't read them. Every negotiation is different. Consider that you Yeah.

Bryan McAnulty [00:31:48]:

I think

Jerry Rosengarten [00:31:49]:

What?

Bryan McAnulty [00:31:51]:

What what, I learned from my my dad, I feel was really helpful is he he was a salesman, and he would tell me how he really was against, like, the idea of role playing as a salesperson, for for training and and things like that because every single time is different. You can't expect that because somebody said this now, this is always the thing that you're gonna say next. Every single thing is gonna be different.

Jerry Rosengarten [00:32:17]:

Every time.

Bryan McAnulty [00:32:17]:

So really the way to to practice is just by continuously doing it. You're right.

Jerry Rosengarten [00:32:26]:

Well, you get better in negotiation as time goes on. I mean, we'll stop negotiating. Yeah.

Bryan McAnulty [00:32:33]:

That's great. So your new book, Jump on the Train, is just launched, in February. What inspired you to write that in the first place, and what do you hope readers will take away from it?

Jerry Rosengarten [00:32:51]:

It was it was a COVID period. I was home alone with my wife for over a year. She had written a short story, a short memoir about a trip she took. And I wrote it, and I read it, and it was it was good. And she said, you should write a short story. I said, no. I'm writing a book. That's the bravado in me.

Jerry Rosengarten [00:33:18]:

Right? I had to I had to do that. Mhmm. And then for a year, I sat at a typewriter and wrote this book. I started out, as I said, writing it or or maybe I didn't say it. Writing it for my kids and my grandkids. Of course, I'm telling telling them who Poppy was and what he did or whatever. And then I started reading it as I was writing it and reading it, I was seeing things for the first time. It started to become really exciting.

Jerry Rosengarten [00:33:54]:

And each chapter, which is a different project, took on a whole different meaning to me. And I sent the I sent the chapter or 2 over to friends to read it, and they said it was good. And then I continued, then I got an assistant who worked with me, and then we produced the book. I got a publisher, and that's the book. Should I leave it up a long time?

Bryan McAnulty [00:34:32]:

No. Very good. So I wanna talk now about how before we hit record here, you're you're mentioning to me some of these things that you're you're passionate about now. And I think it'd be interesting for people to hear because I I think maybe I'm wrong, but I I feel that some people have the misconception that they see someone like yourself who has been very successful in all these things and they think, oh, well, now you're just sitting on the beach or something, and you don't you don't wanna you don't have these these passions or anything. It's done. It's over now. But to me, it's clear you're still very passionate about these different things. So, like, you made the book.

Bryan McAnulty [00:35:13]:

You didn't have to make this book. And now that you you mentioned to me some of, what your your goals are going forward, can you share some more about that?

Jerry Rosengarten [00:35:24]:

Well, first, let me talk about another product because I have you here and whoever else there. Sure. And I've been showing it since it began. This is a product that I developed. Okay? This is a watch band for the I iWatch. I have been by the way, I have failed, at least two times trying to make something for Apple because because I I actually found find myself very related to Apple because what it gave me all these years. So this is just a simple watch band, but it also stand oops. It it also stands up, So you can put it on a a table and read the time of night with with being charged.

Jerry Rosengarten [00:36:15]:

And it slips on, and it comes in colors and sizes. And it's it's just a cute item that I did patent because this world is is not easy. And if they know I'm in it, they know that they could have a fight if they try and copy it. So that's that's one. But that's not the important one. I would like to start a movement among the American people. This sounds grandiose, and it's come to me in the last couple of weeks because our government is really screwed up. For us to let Ukraine lose this war is one of the biggest mistakes America has ever made.

Jerry Rosengarten [00:37:07]:

And we're talking about a war that and we're talking about a war that had we jumped in properly in in earlier, we would have not had this problem. So what I'd like to do is start raising money. I've never done that before. I've never gone out and asked for money. So I'm asking your people who are watching this, tell me how to do it. Let's let's contribute to basically securing democracy. That's

Bryan McAnulty [00:37:44]:

Yeah. So this is interesting that you mentioned, having never done that before for starting a movement. But I think, like, a lot of my customers in our audience here, they're they're trying to build, like, an online community or something like that. But at the same time, people might say, okay. Well, you what about the leisure suit? Like, is that is that not a movement? What's what's the difference between what do you wanna start now and and what you did before? What do you feel that you have to do differently or that you don't know?

Jerry Rosengarten [00:38:19]:

I'm not involved, and I've never been involved, in the media. And then, you know, this this whole Internet craze that's gone on and grown, continues to grow, I've just never done. So I don't know it. I never raise money in the projects that I've done other than bringing in a few partners. It

Bryan McAnulty [00:38:45]:

it's very interesting to see how clear it is from you, this passion and desire to figure out the things that you care about, how can you see them through into becoming a reality? And I I think that that very clearly stands out. I've got one more question for you, and that is on the show, we like to have every guest ask a question to our audience. So if you could ask our audience anything, whether something you're curious about, something you wanna kinda get them thinking about, what would that be?

Jerry Rosengarten [00:39:23]:

It has to deal with the last subject. I want you to think of what I just said. I want you to really think and talk to people and spread this craziness around. I know people are talking about it. A movement to tell our government to spend the money or a movement to raise the money doesn't have to happen. Right. Is that the Yeah.

Bryan McAnulty [00:39:53]:

Thanks so much, Jerry, for sharing that with us. Before we get going, I wanna ask, where can people find you online?

Jerry Rosengarten [00:40:02]:

Jump on a train dot com. Also, Gerald Rosen on LinkedIn.

Bryan McAnulty [00:40:13]:

Awesome. Cool. Thanks so much, Jerry.

Jerry Rosengarten [00:40:15]:

Okay. My pleasure, Kai. Thank you.

Bryan McAnulty [00:40:17]:

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